[Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a "Respect Copyrights" activity badge

[Jesse Stay]

IANAL but it *shouldn't* be okay to download movies and music that  
weren't intended to be downloaded for free, but it *is* legal.  Fair  
use doctrine makes it legal for the common user, and I am unaware of  
any cases that were not settled out of court that were directed  
towards individuals that did this.  In fact, with the old betamax  
trial I would say it is more *legal* than *illegal*.  If you can find  
a case that actually went through the entire court system and a  
person was convicted as guilty for downloading music or movies from  
the internet, I would like to see it.  I think the question is, "Is  
it *moral* or not?"

Jesse

On Oct 24, 2006, at 5:38 AM, Steven McCown wrote:

> What you are talking about is what the law *should* be.  That can  
> be a good debate and changing the law might be good.
>
> Even if you think that it *should* be okay to illegally download  
> music and videos, at the moment it is not.  What Scouts should  
> learn by this is that it is, currently, wrong to illegally download  
> music and videos.  Scouts who illegally download copyrighted  
> material can and will get caught and be punished.  With minors,  
> their parents will also be held liable.  This is something that  
> should be of real concern to Scouts and their parents.  This badge  
> should help Scouts learn that it is currently wrong to illegally  
> download content and help keep them on the right side of the law.
>
> There is nothing 'celestial' about someone violating the law for  
> personal gain.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> On 10/23/06, John Harrison <johnharrison at gmail.com> wrote: Steve,
>
> You say:
>
> What's interesting about this particular piece
> is that Hollywood is taking an "explain and
> educate" angle rather than a more
> confrontational "intimidate and litigate".
> That's a noteworthy twist given how much
> piracy costs Hollywood.
>
> Actually, Hollywood is taking all those angles at once as well as
> buying up legislators in order to extend their once limited "rights"
> in perpetuity and circumvent consumer rights through legislation such
> as the DMCA.
>
> I would love to see the requirements for this patch and see if this is
> going to educate scouts on the issues surrounding intellectual
> property rights or it is simply going to be more of the same from
> Hollywood, that consumers have no rights and that a copyright
> violation is the equivalent to holding up a little old lady at
> gunpoint.  I'm not saying that copyright violation is a good thing,
> but that Hollywood consistently mischaracterizes it as the equivalent
> of stealing physical property, which is a lie.
>
> I'm hoping that the material surrounding this program is shocking to
> me in how even handedly it treats the issues, but I'm not holding me
> breath.
>
> So Steve, what do you think scouts need to know about copyright?
>
> later,
> John
>
> On 10/23/06, Thomas Haws < tom.haws at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Sounds good to me, depending on how you look at it.  Giving away  
> freely is
> > celestial.  Stealing is telestial.  Respecting property rights is
> > terrestrial.  The world aspires to keep a terrestrial law.
> >
> >
> >  On 10/23/06, Steven H. McCown <steven.mccown at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I guess they feel that they are losing money to the "internet  
> culture" and
> > > that they need to re-educate people that it is wrong to steal.   
> While 30
> > > years ago, truly honest people would never have dared photocopy  
> a book
> > (even
> > > if it was free and instantaneous), the "internet culture" has  
> changed that
> > > mindset.  This new culture has given us other 'experts' such as  
> Napster,
> > > torrents, etc. that make it technologically easy to do what  
> once was
> > > considered wrong by the mainstream.
> > >
> > > I remember church talks telling us that it was wrong to steal  
> cable TV.
> > The
> > > response of some was, "oh, come on, they're not actually losing  
> money on
> > me,
> > > because I wouldn't subscribe anyway and it doesn't really cost  
> them more
> > for
> > > just 1 more viewer..."  It was still stealing even though some  
> had really
> > > compelling rationalizations...
> > >
> > > What's interesting about this particular piece is that  
> Hollywood is taking
> > > an "explain and educate" angle rather than a more confrontational
> > > "intimidate and litigate".  That's a noteworthy twist given how  
> much
> > piracy
> > > costs Hollywood.
> > >
> > > If the next generation of net user grows up having learned that  
> it is
> > wrong
> > > to copy [not just photocopy], then we may just end up with less  
> litigation
> > > and that would be a good thing.  Wouldn't it?
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ldsoss-bounces at lists.ldsoss.org
> > > [mailto: ldsoss-bounces at lists.ldsoss.org] On Behalf Of Bryan  
> Murdock
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:51 PM
> > > To: LDS Open Source Software
> > > Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a "Respect Copyrights"  
> activity badge
> > >
> > > "The movie industry has developed the curriculum."
> > >
> > > Oh good, an impartial and fair party, experts in law and the  
> constitution.
> > > :-P
> > >
> > > Bryan
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