[Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a "Respect Copyrights" activity badge

[Steven McCown]

What you are talking about is what the law *should* be.  That can be a good
debate and changing the law might be good.

Even if you think that it *should* be okay to illegally download music and
videos, at the moment it is not.  What Scouts should learn by this is that
it is, currently, wrong to illegally download music and videos.  Scouts who
illegally download copyrighted material can and will get caught and be
punished.  With minors, their parents will also be held liable.  This is
something that should be of real concern to Scouts and their parents.  This
badge should help Scouts learn that it is currently wrong to illegally
download content and help keep them on the right side of the law.

There is nothing 'celestial' about someone violating the law for personal
gain.

Steve



On 10/23/06, John Harrison <johnharrison at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> You say:
>
> What's interesting about this particular piece
> is that Hollywood is taking an "explain and
> educate" angle rather than a more
> confrontational "intimidate and litigate".
> That's a noteworthy twist given how much
> piracy costs Hollywood.
>
> Actually, Hollywood is taking all those angles at once as well as
> buying up legislators in order to extend their once limited "rights"
> in perpetuity and circumvent consumer rights through legislation such
> as the DMCA.
>
> I would love to see the requirements for this patch and see if this is
> going to educate scouts on the issues surrounding intellectual
> property rights or it is simply going to be more of the same from
> Hollywood, that consumers have no rights and that a copyright
> violation is the equivalent to holding up a little old lady at
> gunpoint.  I'm not saying that copyright violation is a good thing,
> but that Hollywood consistently mischaracterizes it as the equivalent
> of stealing physical property, which is a lie.
>
> I'm hoping that the material surrounding this program is shocking to
> me in how even handedly it treats the issues, but I'm not holding me
> breath.
>
> So Steve, what do you think scouts need to know about copyright?
>
> later,
> John
>
> On 10/23/06, Thomas Haws <tom.haws at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Sounds good to me, depending on how you look at it.  Giving away freely
> is
> > celestial.  Stealing is telestial.  Respecting property rights is
> > terrestrial.  The world aspires to keep a terrestrial law.
> >
> >
> >  On 10/23/06, Steven H. McCown <steven.mccown at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I guess they feel that they are losing money to the "internet culture"
> and
> > > that they need to re-educate people that it is wrong to steal.  While
> 30
> > > years ago, truly honest people would never have dared photocopy a book
> > (even
> > > if it was free and instantaneous), the "internet culture" has changed
> that
> > > mindset.  This new culture has given us other 'experts' such as
> Napster,
> > > torrents, etc. that make it technologically easy to do what once was
> > > considered wrong by the mainstream.
> > >
> > > I remember church talks telling us that it was wrong to steal cable
> TV.
> > The
> > > response of some was, "oh, come on, they're not actually losing money
> on
> > me,
> > > because I wouldn't subscribe anyway and it doesn't really cost them
> more
> > for
> > > just 1 more viewer..."  It was still stealing even though some had
> really
> > > compelling rationalizations...
> > >
> > > What's interesting about this particular piece is that Hollywood is
> taking
> > > an "explain and educate" angle rather than a more confrontational
> > > "intimidate and litigate".  That's a noteworthy twist given how much
> > piracy
> > > costs Hollywood.
> > >
> > > If the next generation of net user grows up having learned that it is
> > wrong
> > > to copy [not just photocopy], then we may just end up with less
> litigation
> > > and that would be a good thing.  Wouldn't it?
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ldsoss-bounces at lists.ldsoss.org
> > > [mailto: ldsoss-bounces at lists.ldsoss.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Murdock
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:51 PM
> > > To: LDS Open Source Software
> > > Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a "Respect Copyrights" activity
> badge
> > >
> > > "The movie industry has developed the curriculum."
> > >
> > > Oh good, an impartial and fair party, experts in law and the
> constitution.
> > > :-P
> > >
> > > Bryan
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